Ben Goertzel told Michaël van de Poppe that human-level machines will take over most economic roles within two years, creating a gap where jobs disappear before abundance systems activate. The 50-year AGI veteran, now building the technology, called the interim chaos an unpriced risk in the US economy’s all-in AI wager. He also promoted a blockchain-based decentralized AI future, using tools like Bitcoin, to prevent tech giants from monopolizing the shift.